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No.
You had unprotected sex with a girl when you were a child. It ended in pregnancy.
You are attacking the morality of a 14 year old girl who terminated a pregnancy that would have resulted in a child that neither you or her had the capacity to care for. A girl that preserved your and her own youth, and stopped a child being raised in circumstances that are not fit for any child.
You really should be assessing your own morality.
What kind of 14 year old boy fucks a 14 year old girl, without protection, gets her pregnant then runs an online smear campaign against her for doing what was best for her, her family and you?
What? You think you had the capacity to raise a child at age 14/15? How would you feed it or look after it? You wouldn’t. You were going to dump it on her or your own parents, live like the carefree little shit you are and occasionally play with the child when you could be bothered and think “Wow, what a good, brave young father I am.”
Man up. You made the mistake, she went through the trauma of saving your youth for you. You owe her so much better than this. You absolutely disgust me.
Less than forward-slash three, you’re real fucking remorseful. That’s poetry that is.
You’re breaking my heart kid.
“</3”
Pro-Choice.



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Unpopular opinion here… There is no good reason for having an abortion. Sorry, but I disagree with all of you. This guy has every right to be upset. that girl killed an innocent human being. Sure they may  not have been able to take care of the child at their age, but there’s always the choice of ADOPTION. At least with adoption, they could still watch the child grow up if they wanted to. At least the child could have lived. The baby did NOT deserve to die just because they made a mistake. 

try pushing a watermelon out of your asshole
then act like having a baby’s no big deal you fucking shithead
and she was 14 do you realize how small her hips probably were
and boo hoo “an innocent human being” are you kidding me?

yeah, beacuse I seriously don’t know. I’m not a fucking ignorant kid Sure it could have harmed her. but they both should have thought of that before having sex in the first place. I’m sorry but I have more sympathy for the baby than her. They were both stupid for having sex that young anyway, I regret having sex at the age I started to, I’m just glad I was smart enough to prevent having a kid at that time. There have been younger kids who have had babies because they were raped, they’re perfectly fine, besides the trauma from the rape. Besides, a girl’s body knows how to naturally accommodate for a baby in their damn body, I’m sure she’d have been fine. Sure, her body might not have gone back completely to normal, but it wouldn’t have been completely destroyed, she could have worked to get it back to how it was, but whatever, like I said I just feel sympathy for the poor life that was taken, and I still feel abortion is murder, and murder is wrong.

Having sex does not make you stupid.
Anyone can have any kind of consensual sex that they want to at whatever age they want to have that consensual sex. That is their right because, guess what? Their bodies and sexualities are theirs, not yours. 
Furthermore, fuck you if you think the only traumatic thing about being raped and getting pregnant is the rape. Rape is not just something that happens to you and boohoo you’re a little sad from it and then you get better. Rape can completely change your entire life, and take away your sense of safety, and hurt you for so long in so many different ways. 
And getting pregnant from rape isn’t just, “Oh I got raped AND THAT SUCKED but whee I get to have a baby!” That pregnancy is a constant fucking reminder of what happened to you, of what was done to you. Being forced to carry a pregnancy is traumatic. It is your body being, once again, used for a purpose you did not consent to. It is being forced to endure an emotionally and physically exhausting, painful, and potential very fucking dangerous condition for most of a year, while being poked and prodded at by medical professionals if you have enough money for prenatal care, after you were already sexually violated, and then having to give birth, which is no cakewalk! Look up ‘birth rape’, and imagine undergoing that after being raped and then forced to carry what amounts to an unwanted parasite. And then, if you’re lucky, you get to arrange an adoption for that baby and try to go one with your life.
You get to let that baby be put into the foster care system, or raised by people you probably don’t know, and maybe you’re not allowed to ever have contact with it until it’s eighteen, maybe it won’t be told about you. Maybe you don’t want it to be, but maybe you do. Maybe you feel guilty because you couldn’t take care of your baby and society thinks that you should always be ready to drop everything and be a mother. Maybe you are teased and bullied about it. Maybe you wish you could have kept it but you couldn’t. Maybe you don’t even know how you feel, but it’s probably not very good.
And before that happens, while you’re busy being in this potentially fatal medical condition known as pregnancy with a fetus feeding off of you, trying to recover from the trauma of violation while enduring the physical, emotional, and chemical changes pregnancy wreaks on your body, you’re also probably being socially ostracized. People think you’re a slut, they think you’re a whore, they think you’re easy, they think you’re stupid, they think you should’ve kept your legs shut. If you work up the nerve to tell them you were raped, they think you shouldn’t have been drinking, shouldn’t have given him a handjob, shouldn’t have worn that skirt, shouldn’t have been at that party, shouldn’t have been dating him. You are blamed and bullied and teased and it’s just one more fucking thing on top of everything you’re already going through on top of the difficulty of being a teenager.
So fuck you. Fuck you for being a callous, unsympathetic asshole and pitiful fucking excuse for a human being who can’t even muster up sympathy for victims of rape, and for thinking that the only reason someone might be upset about being forced to carry a pregnancy is that they might not have their fucking flat stomach anymore. Fuck you for being shallow and terrible. Fuck you for having a complete lack of human empathy and pushing your misguided, privileged, controlling morals onto everyone else.
PS: That boy was not the one whose entire life was going to be ruined by her pregnancy. He’s not the one who’s going to have to bear the child, give birth to the child, care for the child, and deal with telling his friends and family that he’s pregnant. He’s not the one who might be thrown out of his house. He’s not the one whose friends might abandon him. He’s not the one who’s going to have to endure the stares and catcalls and insults and rudeness when he goes out visibly pregnant and fourteen. He’s not the one who has to suffer, and it’s not his uterus, and it’s not his choice.
PPS: As of 2006, over eighty percent of abortions were performed in the first twelve weeks, during which time the fetus is basically a blob of cells that in no way, shape, or form resembles a human being. Furthermore, a fetus does not have human rights until it’s born, considering that a fetus is not an infant until it exists separately of its parent’s body, at which point it gains the protection of human rights. Up until that point, the human rights of the uterus-bearer trump the potential rights of the fetus, which, whether you think it has a soul or is a potential person or isn’t a person until it’s born, is a blob of cells the size of a bean in the timeframe the vast, vast majority of abortions are performed. Abortions performed after that point, and in later weeks when there’s a lot more of a grey area regarding whether or not the fetus may be capable of or possessing personhood as we see it, are almost all performed for the sake of saving the life of the pregnant person or because the fetus would have been born with severe birth defects.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.htmlhttp://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/06/02/thirdtrimester-abortions-facts-stories-and-how-you-can-help-0http://prustice.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/medical-reasons-for-late-term-abortions/

I know all this I have been raped myself I know how awful it is. The point was that underdeveloped girls could give birth and not have complications, I in no way was implying that rape wasn’t a major thing. I have a medical background, my mother is a medical professional, I know all the risks. I never meant it to be about looks or being shallow, I was just saying I don’t know what her reasons were, and yeah she may have done it to prevent going through all that comes with pregnancy, but honestly my opinion (just an opinion, which I never meant to have escalate this far) is that when one can determine if they’re pregnant, that baby is a human being. Cells live, so even that argument doesn’t prove that a fetus is not alive at this point. if the fetus was still that group of cells and then died, then I could see it different. but getting an abortion is just a horrible thing to me. You guys are entitled to your opinion, I just personally don’t think it’s right. and for everyone to be attacking me for my own personal opinion, with the medical knowledge I have, it should have just been left as an opinion. And seriously, even as wrong as I think it is, Rape would be the only way I could accept abortion. Other than that, everyone should be held accountable for their own actions and just follow through with it. So again, to address the rape victim issue that i seem to have stirred, I was just pointing out the fact that young girls that have been raped have gone through with the pregnancy and had no complications. I never said it WASN’T traumatic after the rape, because I know it’s much more than that. Now, with that said, this conversation is over, I’ve spoken my peace, you all will judge me however you want because only I honestly know what I think of it, people just misconstrue everything just to create an argument, before anyone said anything about this, maybe think of asking questions before blowing the whole thing out of proportion and in a totally different direction. Since obviously everything I said was taken in a totally different way from what I meant it to be. but hey, I have never been great at explaining myself. but whatever. I’m not ignorant or uneducated, I just thought I was able to freely state my opinion without everyone telling me my opinion was wrong, it’s not like i forced religion or a sexual preference on anyone, and honestly, everyone makes mistakes,  many people do things in an uneducated or careless way. I just think people should work through it instead of just making a decision to just do what’s easier. because overall, life isn’t easy. we all have our challenges that we have to get through. But anyway. End of discussion. i’m tired of all this.. sorry for being misunderstood by all of you. 

Oh, no, you don’t get to say “I’m sorry you disagree with my opinion” after people jump on you for saying something callous. That’s what we call a non-apology.
At no point did you demonstrate you knew how traumatic rape was or how traumatic being forced to carry a pregnancy could be. You did, however, indicate that you thought people could be ‘just fine except for the trauma of the rape’ after having babies as a result of rape, which is just shy of outright stating you think being forced to carry a pregnancy isn’t traumatic. And you did say ‘well, her body can get back to what it was if she works for it’, which does in fact imply you think the only complications a fourteen year old can suffer from pregnancy are losing her looks. We didn’t misunderstand you, we responded to the words you said.
Furthermore, just as you are free to state your opinion, people are free to respond to you. You’re not somehow being mistreated because you said something and people responded telling you why they thought you were wrong. That’s how arguments work. You do not have some sacred right to say things and no one can do anything but say OH YES I AGREE WITH YOU; you can say what you want, your opinion, and people can attack, defend, deconstruct, agree with, or disagree with it as they say fit. That’s what you get when you post about a controversial subject in a public forum, and if you don’t want that to happen, either don’t say anything or post it privately.
Furthermore, no one’s saying a fetus isn’t alive. I’m saying it is my opinion, based on the medical facts that I know, that a twelve-week-old fetus, which is the majority of abortions, is not a person. It’s human, and alive, but it’s not a person. It doesn’t have the rights of a person and its existence does not trump the rights of the person whose uterus it’s in to remove it if they see fit.
Also, again, another fuck you for implying that people choose abortion because it’s the easy way out. That’s an opinion just dripping with misogyny. “People get abortions because they’re lazy and don’t want to be responsible!” No, fuck you, you don’t know jack shit. Abortion is not always an easy choice! There are plenty of people who get and support the right to have an abortion who may not necessarily like abortions, or want to have one. Sometimes it’s a last choice someone makes because they just don’t want to bring that child into the world and can’t care for it. And sometimes it’s not the easy choice, but the only choice that they could possibly make, the only way they can continue to have a life. And sometimes? It is an easy choice. They know they don’t want to have a baby, can’t care for it, etc, and that an abortion is the right choice. But people don’t have abortions because they’re lazy and just don’t want to put in the effort of raising children.
Oh, and by the way, yes, you are trying to force choices on people. You’re saying they’re stupid for having sex at a young age, and criminals for choosing what to do with their own body after that. You’re trying to say that abortion is a crime, and people shouldn’t do it, and when you start saying “People are wrong for doing this”, you are saying “People shouldn’t do this”, which is by fucking definition forcing your choices and morality on other people.

No no no. I did say that statement, but everyone took it they same way you did, I was talking about pregnancy complications. I was saying that if the health risks is what she was worrying about, there are girls younger who sadly had to experience being raped and becoming pregnant from that situation, and some of them make the choice to carry the baby until it is born and they have gone though the pregnancy without complication, even at their insanely young age. In some countries, they’re even forced to see the pregnancy though, even though them having sex was not their choice. There was no place on how traumatic rape is, since we are not talking about anyone being raped. Yes, I know the experience is traumatizing, yes if it resulted in a pregnancy that carrying it out would be traumatizing, but that wasn’t the focus. I was simply giving another scenario that show that not all pregnancies have complications, no matter the age, obviously, complications can happen in a female of any age, but I’m just saying they don’t happen in every pregnancy.
And again, I’m not saying that that looks were her only concern, it was another example. Everything I said was an example, to explain my point of view, I never ever said that was the reason why she was concerned, because honestly, it could be a number of reasons, but they are unknown so I just came up with an example. If her reasoning for having the abortion was because it resulted in her losing her life or because her body couldn’t support carrying a baby, then yes, she had a right to do that, but no one ever said that was the case. Also, I know the decision for having an abortion isn’t easy. As I stated, the only reason I could sympathize and agree to have an abortion is if I was raped and ended up pregnant from that incident. But even then, I wouldn’t choose that, but that is my personal preference.
As far as the “easy way out” statement, I am speaking of the area I live in, because that is the reasoning girls here give when someone asks them why they had an abortion, I never said that’s why every girl does it. Plus in several situations I’ve personally seen, (again, not everyone) the girl has said they had an abortion to save their relationship, that their boyfriend forced them to get the abortion. Because many of these girls think that at 11, 14, even 17 years old think that their first love is going to be around forever.  Truth is, there’s probably only an extremely small number of couples who have been each others’ first loves, since childhood, adolescence, whatever the case may be.
For me, I don’t take it as forcing my opinion on people. for me, it’s just thinking “how can people stomach the thought of doing this?” or “what goes through a girl’s mind when making this decision?” I personally would never let myself even consider that an option. There are thousands of scenarios or reasons why people do what they do, I’m just saying I don’t particularly agree with it, but hey, people are going to do it, and people have their own way of thinking. I accept that just as I accept the fact that not everyone will accept other people’s sexual preferences, sexual identity or race. Where I’m from, I’m not one to ever say anything, and this is why.
I’m not good at stating my opinion because I never do it, because I know this is always going to happen. My own family alienates me for the way I think, and I know not to bother even talking to them, because they only hear what they want to hear and misconstrue everything to make themselves look good and the other person in the conversation to look like a dumbfuck. So yes, I’m not great with words, and it sounded better in my head than when I tried to put it down in a way that others would understand my thought on it. Yes, “stupid” was a poor choice of words and I apologize for that, but I didn’t know how to put it another way, and like I keep saying, where I come from, people do things like this without thinking of anything else but that particular moment in time, not bothering to think of there are consequences, or if it will harm either party involved and possibly their future.  
I don’t know what other people are like and how they’ll react, I’ve never been around people long enough to understand them, and the ones I am around constantly, I’ve learn to accept them and they, in return have learned how to accept me and understand me. They know I have problems making my thoughts and feelings come out into words, and I’ve honestly never been in this kind of a situation where I’ve had to defend myself, because everyone judges me on my appearance only, it’s very rare if people even attempt to talk to/get to know me, they think it’s a waste of time. Now, i know my beliefs are strong, but I never mean to offend anyone with what I say, and anyone that truly knows me can say that. So don’t mind my terrible people skills because clearly I have unintentionally offended and pissed everyone off. Now I know to never bother having an opinion on things and verbalizing them, because I will be subjected to the same thing I’ve had to live with my whole life. I made my own tumblr to get away from all the criticism, but I see that can’t be escaped anywhere, and I didn’t even think this would even catch any attention because none of my other opinions like this have caused this much problem, let alone cause people to even look at my blog. This doesn’t change anyone’s opinions of me as a person, but whatever.
I’m done and people are gonna judge me and not bother to get to know me or what I’m like, nor do they care I exist, and I’m fine with that. Just think deeper into things that just what is in front of you, you don’t know what other people are thinking trough text, what they see one way another reads and take a totally different way. I always think that a person means well, and just leave their thoughts as such without anymore concern, and I automatically expect the same in return, but I guess it doesn’t work that way… my mistake. 

Ah, I see. You were very unclear that you were talking about complications, but I understand that now. Sometimes it’s worth it to take a few extra minutes to sit down and really try to hammer home what you mean, just to make sure you’re not saying something that could be so easily misconstrued.
And now I have to say, just because you know a few people in that situation, or who choose abortion as the easy way out, doesn’t mean that those people are the majority. And it doesn’t mean that, because of those few people, everyone should have to be shamed for their choice or deal with having to wrestle laws to take control of their body. Even if you don’t agree with the reasons why someone makes a decision like that, it is, in the end, not your body and not your choice.
Girls being forced to have abortions also isn’t a reason that abortion is wrong. That’s an appalling, tragic thing, but abortion providers take steps to prevent it. And there should be a lot of failsafes in place to prevent that, because no one should be forced to undergo any medical procedure against their will, but here’s the thing: making abortion illegal or more difficult to access means more abortions happen, and it makes it much easier for people to be pressured into it. If it can’t be a public, well-regulated thing that people know about, then there is room for all sorts of shady business to go on. Things like forcing people to get abortions, illegal abortions performed by untrained staff in dirty surroundings, and so on, are all results of abortions being hugely difficult to get and not something people really talk about.
I think you really do need to work on the way you phrase things, but I think you’ve realized that. The words you say are what people are going to respond to, and if they’re unpleasant or demeaning or hard to understand, then your message isn’t going to get across and people are going to respond very strongly to you. The examples you use send a message, too, so when one of the only reasons you talk about birth not being difficult is because it’s easy for someone to get their figure back, then it makes it seem like you’re considering the issue in a very shallow way. You might not be, but the way you said it makes it seem like that.
And, please, stop trying to pull the “Oh I’m so pitiful people are being mean to me” card. Disagreeing with you and calling you wrong or calling you out for offensive-seeming opinions is not being mean to you. Don’t flounce off and decide you’re never going to say anything and you’re just going to be misjudged and misunderstood, or talk about how you never say anything because people are mean to you like this, or pull how your family is mean to you in. That’s terrible and I really, truly am sorry for you, and I wish you didn’t have to live in a situation where you feel demeaned, but it has no place in this discussion.
Talking about how you’re never going to have an opinion again blah blah blah is just more passive-aggressive, whiny bullshit. You need to stop acting like a fourteen year old and just own up. You said something, worded some things really badly, and people responded with justifiable anger to what seemed very clearly to be trivializing a serious issue. If everyone who reblogged and responded to you read it that way, then you need to consider that it really was your wording, not them misunderstanding you and being mean. And you need to work on that, and work on explaining what you meant in a rational way instead of flailing around accusing everyone of misunderstanding your unclear statements and bullying you and saying you’re going to LEAVE THE INTERNET FOREVER AND STOP HAVING OPINIONS and going on and on about how woeful and mistreated you are. Responding that way to being argued with and called out on problematic language that resulted because you weren’t clear just makes you seem very immature. I hope one day you realize you’re not the only person entitled to state their thoughts.

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No.

You had unprotected sex with a girl when you were a child. It ended in pregnancy.

You are attacking the morality of a 14 year old girl who terminated a pregnancy that would have resulted in a child that neither you or her had the capacity to care for. A girl that preserved your and her own youth, and stopped a child being raised in circumstances that are not fit for any child.

You really should be assessing your own morality.

What kind of 14 year old boy fucks a 14 year old girl, without protection, gets her pregnant then runs an online smear campaign against her for doing what was best for her, her family and you?

What? You think you had the capacity to raise a child at age 14/15? How would you feed it or look after it? You wouldn’t. You were going to dump it on her or your own parents, live like the carefree little shit you are and occasionally play with the child when you could be bothered and think “Wow, what a good, brave young father I am.”

Man up. You made the mistake, she went through the trauma of saving your youth for you. You owe her so much better than this. You absolutely disgust me.

Less than forward-slash three, you’re real fucking remorseful. That’s poetry that is.

You’re breaking my heart kid.

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Pro-Choice.

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Unpopular opinion here… There is no good reason for having an abortion. Sorry, but I disagree with all of you. This guy has every right to be upset. that girl killed an innocent human being. Sure they may  not have been able to take care of the child at their age, but there’s always the choice of ADOPTION. At least with adoption, they could still watch the child grow up if they wanted to. At least the child could have lived. The baby did NOT deserve to die just because they made a mistake. 

try pushing a watermelon out of your asshole

then act like having a baby’s no big deal you fucking shithead

and she was 14 do you realize how small her hips probably were

and boo hoo “an innocent human being” are you kidding me?

yeah, beacuse I seriously don’t know. I’m not a fucking ignorant kid Sure it could have harmed her. but they both should have thought of that before having sex in the first place. I’m sorry but I have more sympathy for the baby than her. They were both stupid for having sex that young anyway, I regret having sex at the age I started to, I’m just glad I was smart enough to prevent having a kid at that time. There have been younger kids who have had babies because they were raped, they’re perfectly fine, besides the trauma from the rape. Besides, a girl’s body knows how to naturally accommodate for a baby in their damn body, I’m sure she’d have been fine. Sure, her body might not have gone back completely to normal, but it wouldn’t have been completely destroyed, she could have worked to get it back to how it was, but whatever, like I said I just feel sympathy for the poor life that was taken, and I still feel abortion is murder, and murder is wrong.

Having sex does not make you stupid.

Anyone can have any kind of consensual sex that they want to at whatever age they want to have that consensual sex. That is their right because, guess what? Their bodies and sexualities are theirs, not yours. 

Furthermore, fuck you if you think the only traumatic thing about being raped and getting pregnant is the rape. Rape is not just something that happens to you and boohoo you’re a little sad from it and then you get better. Rape can completely change your entire life, and take away your sense of safety, and hurt you for so long in so many different ways. 

And getting pregnant from rape isn’t just, “Oh I got raped AND THAT SUCKED but whee I get to have a baby!” That pregnancy is a constant fucking reminder of what happened to you, of what was done to you. Being forced to carry a pregnancy is traumatic. It is your body being, once again, used for a purpose you did not consent to. It is being forced to endure an emotionally and physically exhausting, painful, and potential very fucking dangerous condition for most of a year, while being poked and prodded at by medical professionals if you have enough money for prenatal care, after you were already sexually violated, and then having to give birth, which is no cakewalk! Look up ‘birth rape’, and imagine undergoing that after being raped and then forced to carry what amounts to an unwanted parasite. And then, if you’re lucky, you get to arrange an adoption for that baby and try to go one with your life.

You get to let that baby be put into the foster care system, or raised by people you probably don’t know, and maybe you’re not allowed to ever have contact with it until it’s eighteen, maybe it won’t be told about you. Maybe you don’t want it to be, but maybe you do. Maybe you feel guilty because you couldn’t take care of your baby and society thinks that you should always be ready to drop everything and be a mother. Maybe you are teased and bullied about it. Maybe you wish you could have kept it but you couldn’t. Maybe you don’t even know how you feel, but it’s probably not very good.

And before that happens, while you’re busy being in this potentially fatal medical condition known as pregnancy with a fetus feeding off of you, trying to recover from the trauma of violation while enduring the physical, emotional, and chemical changes pregnancy wreaks on your body, you’re also probably being socially ostracized. People think you’re a slut, they think you’re a whore, they think you’re easy, they think you’re stupid, they think you should’ve kept your legs shut. If you work up the nerve to tell them you were raped, they think you shouldn’t have been drinking, shouldn’t have given him a handjob, shouldn’t have worn that skirt, shouldn’t have been at that party, shouldn’t have been dating him. You are blamed and bullied and teased and it’s just one more fucking thing on top of everything you’re already going through on top of the difficulty of being a teenager.

So fuck you. Fuck you for being a callous, unsympathetic asshole and pitiful fucking excuse for a human being who can’t even muster up sympathy for victims of rape, and for thinking that the only reason someone might be upset about being forced to carry a pregnancy is that they might not have their fucking flat stomach anymore. Fuck you for being shallow and terrible. Fuck you for having a complete lack of human empathy and pushing your misguided, privileged, controlling morals onto everyone else.

PS: That boy was not the one whose entire life was going to be ruined by her pregnancy. He’s not the one who’s going to have to bear the child, give birth to the child, care for the child, and deal with telling his friends and family that he’s pregnant. He’s not the one who might be thrown out of his house. He’s not the one whose friends might abandon him. He’s not the one who’s going to have to endure the stares and catcalls and insults and rudeness when he goes out visibly pregnant and fourteen. He’s not the one who has to suffer, and it’s not his uterus, and it’s not his choice.

PPS: As of 2006, over eighty percent of abortions were performed in the first twelve weeks, during which time the fetus is basically a blob of cells that in no way, shape, or form resembles a human being. Furthermore, a fetus does not have human rights until it’s born, considering that a fetus is not an infant until it exists separately of its parent’s body, at which point it gains the protection of human rights. Up until that point, the human rights of the uterus-bearer trump the potential rights of the fetus, which, whether you think it has a soul or is a potential person or isn’t a person until it’s born, is a blob of cells the size of a bean in the timeframe the vast, vast majority of abortions are performed. Abortions performed after that point, and in later weeks when there’s a lot more of a grey area regarding whether or not the fetus may be capable of or possessing personhood as we see it, are almost all performed for the sake of saving the life of the pregnant person or because the fetus would have been born with severe birth defects.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/06/02/thirdtrimester-abortions-facts-stories-and-how-you-can-help-0

http://prustice.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/medical-reasons-for-late-term-abortions/

I know all this I have been raped myself I know how awful it is. The point was that underdeveloped girls could give birth and not have complications, I in no way was implying that rape wasn’t a major thing. I have a medical background, my mother is a medical professional, I know all the risks. I never meant it to be about looks or being shallow, I was just saying I don’t know what her reasons were, and yeah she may have done it to prevent going through all that comes with pregnancy, but honestly my opinion (just an opinion, which I never meant to have escalate this far) is that when one can determine if they’re pregnant, that baby is a human being. Cells live, so even that argument doesn’t prove that a fetus is not alive at this point. if the fetus was still that group of cells and then died, then I could see it different. but getting an abortion is just a horrible thing to me. You guys are entitled to your opinion, I just personally don’t think it’s right. and for everyone to be attacking me for my own personal opinion, with the medical knowledge I have, it should have just been left as an opinion. And seriously, even as wrong as I think it is, Rape would be the only way I could accept abortion. Other than that, everyone should be held accountable for their own actions and just follow through with it. So again, to address the rape victim issue that i seem to have stirred, I was just pointing out the fact that young girls that have been raped have gone through with the pregnancy and had no complications. I never said it WASN’T traumatic after the rape, because I know it’s much more than that. Now, with that said, this conversation is over, I’ve spoken my peace, you all will judge me however you want because only I honestly know what I think of it, people just misconstrue everything just to create an argument, before anyone said anything about this, maybe think of asking questions before blowing the whole thing out of proportion and in a totally different direction. Since obviously everything I said was taken in a totally different way from what I meant it to be. but hey, I have never been great at explaining myself. but whatever. I’m not ignorant or uneducated, I just thought I was able to freely state my opinion without everyone telling me my opinion was wrong, it’s not like i forced religion or a sexual preference on anyone, and honestly, everyone makes mistakes,  many people do things in an uneducated or careless way. I just think people should work through it instead of just making a decision to just do what’s easier. because overall, life isn’t easy. we all have our challenges that we have to get through. But anyway. End of discussion. i’m tired of all this.. sorry for being misunderstood by all of you. 

Oh, no, you don’t get to say “I’m sorry you disagree with my opinion” after people jump on you for saying something callous. That’s what we call a non-apology.

At no point did you demonstrate you knew how traumatic rape was or how traumatic being forced to carry a pregnancy could be. You did, however, indicate that you thought people could be ‘just fine except for the trauma of the rape’ after having babies as a result of rape, which is just shy of outright stating you think being forced to carry a pregnancy isn’t traumatic. And you did say ‘well, her body can get back to what it was if she works for it’, which does in fact imply you think the only complications a fourteen year old can suffer from pregnancy are losing her looks. We didn’t misunderstand you, we responded to the words you said.

Furthermore, just as you are free to state your opinion, people are free to respond to you. You’re not somehow being mistreated because you said something and people responded telling you why they thought you were wrong. That’s how arguments work. You do not have some sacred right to say things and no one can do anything but say OH YES I AGREE WITH YOU; you can say what you want, your opinion, and people can attack, defend, deconstruct, agree with, or disagree with it as they say fit. That’s what you get when you post about a controversial subject in a public forum, and if you don’t want that to happen, either don’t say anything or post it privately.

Furthermore, no one’s saying a fetus isn’t alive. I’m saying it is my opinion, based on the medical facts that I know, that a twelve-week-old fetus, which is the majority of abortions, is not a person. It’s human, and alive, but it’s not a person. It doesn’t have the rights of a person and its existence does not trump the rights of the person whose uterus it’s in to remove it if they see fit.

Also, again, another fuck you for implying that people choose abortion because it’s the easy way out. That’s an opinion just dripping with misogyny. “People get abortions because they’re lazy and don’t want to be responsible!” No, fuck you, you don’t know jack shit. Abortion is not always an easy choice! There are plenty of people who get and support the right to have an abortion who may not necessarily like abortions, or want to have one. Sometimes it’s a last choice someone makes because they just don’t want to bring that child into the world and can’t care for it. And sometimes it’s not the easy choice, but the only choice that they could possibly make, the only way they can continue to have a life. And sometimes? It is an easy choice. They know they don’t want to have a baby, can’t care for it, etc, and that an abortion is the right choice. But people don’t have abortions because they’re lazy and just don’t want to put in the effort of raising children.

Oh, and by the way, yes, you are trying to force choices on people. You’re saying they’re stupid for having sex at a young age, and criminals for choosing what to do with their own body after that. You’re trying to say that abortion is a crime, and people shouldn’t do it, and when you start saying “People are wrong for doing this”, you are saying “People shouldn’t do this”, which is by fucking definition forcing your choices and morality on other people.

No no no. I did say that statement, but everyone took it they same way you did, I was talking about pregnancy complications. I was saying that if the health risks is what she was worrying about, there are girls younger who sadly had to experience being raped and becoming pregnant from that situation, and some of them make the choice to carry the baby until it is born and they have gone though the pregnancy without complication, even at their insanely young age. In some countries, they’re even forced to see the pregnancy though, even though them having sex was not their choice. There was no place on how traumatic rape is, since we are not talking about anyone being raped. Yes, I know the experience is traumatizing, yes if it resulted in a pregnancy that carrying it out would be traumatizing, but that wasn’t the focus. I was simply giving another scenario that show that not all pregnancies have complications, no matter the age, obviously, complications can happen in a female of any age, but I’m just saying they don’t happen in every pregnancy.

And again, I’m not saying that that looks were her only concern, it was another example. Everything I said was an example, to explain my point of view, I never ever said that was the reason why she was concerned, because honestly, it could be a number of reasons, but they are unknown so I just came up with an example. If her reasoning for having the abortion was because it resulted in her losing her life or because her body couldn’t support carrying a baby, then yes, she had a right to do that, but no one ever said that was the case. Also, I know the decision for having an abortion isn’t easy. As I stated, the only reason I could sympathize and agree to have an abortion is if I was raped and ended up pregnant from that incident. But even then, I wouldn’t choose that, but that is my personal preference.

As far as the “easy way out” statement, I am speaking of the area I live in, because that is the reasoning girls here give when someone asks them why they had an abortion, I never said that’s why every girl does it. Plus in several situations I’ve personally seen, (again, not everyone) the girl has said they had an abortion to save their relationship, that their boyfriend forced them to get the abortion. Because many of these girls think that at 11, 14, even 17 years old think that their first love is going to be around forever.  Truth is, there’s probably only an extremely small number of couples who have been each others’ first loves, since childhood, adolescence, whatever the case may be.

For me, I don’t take it as forcing my opinion on people. for me, it’s just thinking “how can people stomach the thought of doing this?” or “what goes through a girl’s mind when making this decision?” I personally would never let myself even consider that an option. There are thousands of scenarios or reasons why people do what they do, I’m just saying I don’t particularly agree with it, but hey, people are going to do it, and people have their own way of thinking. I accept that just as I accept the fact that not everyone will accept other people’s sexual preferences, sexual identity or race. Where I’m from, I’m not one to ever say anything, and this is why.

I’m not good at stating my opinion because I never do it, because I know this is always going to happen. My own family alienates me for the way I think, and I know not to bother even talking to them, because they only hear what they want to hear and misconstrue everything to make themselves look good and the other person in the conversation to look like a dumbfuck. So yes, I’m not great with words, and it sounded better in my head than when I tried to put it down in a way that others would understand my thought on it. Yes, “stupid” was a poor choice of words and I apologize for that, but I didn’t know how to put it another way, and like I keep saying, where I come from, people do things like this without thinking of anything else but that particular moment in time, not bothering to think of there are consequences, or if it will harm either party involved and possibly their future.  

I don’t know what other people are like and how they’ll react, I’ve never been around people long enough to understand them, and the ones I am around constantly, I’ve learn to accept them and they, in return have learned how to accept me and understand me. They know I have problems making my thoughts and feelings come out into words, and I’ve honestly never been in this kind of a situation where I’ve had to defend myself, because everyone judges me on my appearance only, it’s very rare if people even attempt to talk to/get to know me, they think it’s a waste of time. Now, i know my beliefs are strong, but I never mean to offend anyone with what I say, and anyone that truly knows me can say that. So don’t mind my terrible people skills because clearly I have unintentionally offended and pissed everyone off. Now I know to never bother having an opinion on things and verbalizing them, because I will be subjected to the same thing I’ve had to live with my whole life. I made my own tumblr to get away from all the criticism, but I see that can’t be escaped anywhere, and I didn’t even think this would even catch any attention because none of my other opinions like this have caused this much problem, let alone cause people to even look at my blog. This doesn’t change anyone’s opinions of me as a person, but whatever.

I’m done and people are gonna judge me and not bother to get to know me or what I’m like, nor do they care I exist, and I’m fine with that. Just think deeper into things that just what is in front of you, you don’t know what other people are thinking trough text, what they see one way another reads and take a totally different way. I always think that a person means well, and just leave their thoughts as such without anymore concern, and I automatically expect the same in return, but I guess it doesn’t work that way… my mistake. 

Ah, I see. You were very unclear that you were talking about complications, but I understand that now. Sometimes it’s worth it to take a few extra minutes to sit down and really try to hammer home what you mean, just to make sure you’re not saying something that could be so easily misconstrued.

And now I have to say, just because you know a few people in that situation, or who choose abortion as the easy way out, doesn’t mean that those people are the majority. And it doesn’t mean that, because of those few people, everyone should have to be shamed for their choice or deal with having to wrestle laws to take control of their body. Even if you don’t agree with the reasons why someone makes a decision like that, it is, in the end, not your body and not your choice.

Girls being forced to have abortions also isn’t a reason that abortion is wrong. That’s an appalling, tragic thing, but abortion providers take steps to prevent it. And there should be a lot of failsafes in place to prevent that, because no one should be forced to undergo any medical procedure against their will, but here’s the thing: making abortion illegal or more difficult to access means more abortions happen, and it makes it much easier for people to be pressured into it. If it can’t be a public, well-regulated thing that people know about, then there is room for all sorts of shady business to go on. Things like forcing people to get abortions, illegal abortions performed by untrained staff in dirty surroundings, and so on, are all results of abortions being hugely difficult to get and not something people really talk about.

I think you really do need to work on the way you phrase things, but I think you’ve realized that. The words you say are what people are going to respond to, and if they’re unpleasant or demeaning or hard to understand, then your message isn’t going to get across and people are going to respond very strongly to you. The examples you use send a message, too, so when one of the only reasons you talk about birth not being difficult is because it’s easy for someone to get their figure back, then it makes it seem like you’re considering the issue in a very shallow way. You might not be, but the way you said it makes it seem like that.

And, please, stop trying to pull the “Oh I’m so pitiful people are being mean to me” card. Disagreeing with you and calling you wrong or calling you out for offensive-seeming opinions is not being mean to you. Don’t flounce off and decide you’re never going to say anything and you’re just going to be misjudged and misunderstood, or talk about how you never say anything because people are mean to you like this, or pull how your family is mean to you in. That’s terrible and I really, truly am sorry for you, and I wish you didn’t have to live in a situation where you feel demeaned, but it has no place in this discussion.

Talking about how you’re never going to have an opinion again blah blah blah is just more passive-aggressive, whiny bullshit. You need to stop acting like a fourteen year old and just own up. You said something, worded some things really badly, and people responded with justifiable anger to what seemed very clearly to be trivializing a serious issue. If everyone who reblogged and responded to you read it that way, then you need to consider that it really was your wording, not them misunderstanding you and being mean. And you need to work on that, and work on explaining what you meant in a rational way instead of flailing around accusing everyone of misunderstanding your unclear statements and bullying you and saying you’re going to LEAVE THE INTERNET FOREVER AND STOP HAVING OPINIONS and going on and on about how woeful and mistreated you are. Responding that way to being argued with and called out on problematic language that resulted because you weren’t clear just makes you seem very immature. I hope one day you realize you’re not the only person entitled to state their thoughts.

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